confident the country is not going to go off the fiscal cliff, yesterday budget expert erskine bowles, he wrote part of bowles-simpson two years ago, didn't seem so sure as he and a group of ceo's met with house republicans. what went on inside the meetings? >> steve: the president and ceo of airlines for america attended the discussions. so i know that they don't want to you spill all the beans, but basically you can tell us the tenor of the meetings? >> the tenor was very good. group of ceo's have come together to try to provide cover to members who will vote for solution that includes a balanced approach to deficit reduction over the long-term. >> steve: you mean when you say cover and balanced approach, you're talking about republican members who might vote to increase taxes? >> republican and democratic members both. not to increase taxes. well, there will be more revenues on the table, there is no question about it. but there are two other legs to the stool that are key to getting any deal because they won't pass the house and the senate in the end unless you get structural enti